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Council Erred in Memorial Placement, Napa Candidates Say

Locating a controversial war memorial at a prominent corner on the edge of Veterans Memorial Park was the wrong decision by the Napa City Council, according to several candidates for city office.

Pressured by veterans, the Napa City Council made the wrong choice on the location of a memorial sculpture honoring six Napa County service members who died in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to several candidates for city office and one incumbent.

"I think it was completely wrong" to place the monument at its current location instead of further inside Veterans Memorial Park, said council member Peter Mott, who is challenging incumbent mayor Jill Techel in next month's election.

The military-themed sculpture, ordered from a catalog, is "out of scale for that pedestal," Mott said during a candidates forum at the Napa County Historical Society Tuesday night.

The memorial representing a "battle cross," composed of a soldier's boots, rifle and helmet, was dedicated last month at the corner of Main and Third streets atop a pedestal that had formerly held downtown's most popular public sculpture, "Fish On" by Terrence Martin.

The decision to place the memorial there was a controversial one because it required the city to break its agreement with Martin to display his monumental sculpture at that location until 2013. (The city has since purchased "Fish On" for a spot along the river a block south of the park.)

"It's a rough choice," said council candidate Alex Pader. "I'm definitely 100 percent in support of having a memorial there, but I don’t support breaking our promises."

If people don't trust local government to keep its agreements, Pader said, they will wind up mistrusting all government.

"It's a terrible place to reflect"

Several candidates also said the busy streetcorner was the wrong location for a memorial intended to induce contemplation.

"It's a terrible place to reflect on the sacrifice of soldiers," Mott said.

Conceived by a former Napa High School student as her senior project, the memorial includes an interactive component allowing spectators with smartphones to view video tributes to the fallen service members.

But "at this point it’s even hard to hear what the videos are," said council candidate Doris Gentry at Tuesday's forum. "There’s so much traffic at this intersection and there’s always people talking."

Gentry and Mott both favored a location further inside the park. "I hope it gets moved someday," Mott said.

"The process produced the incorrect outcome," said council candidate Alfredo Pedroza. People driving by the memorial "don't connect," he added.

Pedroza, Mott and Gentry also suggested that the aesthetics of the sculpture fall short of the city's standard for public art.

"It's an off-the-shelf piece of artwork," Mott said.

A monument "custom-tailored" for the city might have been a better choice, Gentry said: "We won a (North Bay) Bohemian award for our Art on First street in 2012. This is world class art."

"You have to make sure that art is adding value today and into the future," Pedroza said.

Council candidate Scott Sedgley had no aesthetic criticism, calling the memorial sculpture "a valued piece of art."

But, Sedgley said, the council erred in overriding city staff's recommendation to place the memorial further inside the park.

A former member of the city parks and recreation commission, Sedgley said that privately-funded amenities, such as memorial benches, are often provided to the city, but that their donors do not normally have the right to specify where they will be placed.

"(The) Parks and Rec (department) has the final decision and the council should have supported staff on that decision," Sedgley said. "It has nothing to do with the value of the piece."

"I made a commitment"

Techel and council incumbent Jim Krider, who voted with council member Mark Van Gorder in favor of the current location, defended their decision.

"For me this was about Veterans Memorial Park," said Techel, adding that Napa County veterans had asked for the current location.

Krider acknowledged that it wouldn't have been his first choice, but that "I made a commitment to the veterans."

Another public art pedestal is being installed across the street, Krider said: "We haven't lost anything; we have gained."

Council candidate and former city manager Bill Bopf supported the council decision, saying he would have voted with the majority.

"It may not be the ideal place," Bopf said, but the memorial gets "a lot of attention and a lot of respect" there.

Council candidate Charlie Rose, a veteran and attorney, also supported the current location.

Siting the memorial elsewhere "would have been a broken promise to the veterans," said Rose, who also said he had reviewed the contract with Martin and didn't see an "issue" with ending it early.

However, Rose said, the matter raises another topic: "I think we need to set a vision" for Veterans Memorial Park.

The candidates and incumbents made their remarks before a crowd of about 30 listeners during an "arts town hall" forum at the Napa County Historical Society.

Do you think the council made the right decision? Tell us in the comments.

For more about this story, please see:

  • Council Approves New War Memorial
  • Teen's War Memorial to Displace Fish in Park
  • Napa War Memorial Dedicated Saturday

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Belle (Orchid Lady) October 24, 2012 at 02:00 pm
Thank goodness I haven't cast my ballot yet! I needed to go get a replacement because I made an error, but now I see I have TWO!
Don Brothers October 24, 2012 at 02:12 pm
Is the location and spacial relationship of a sculpture the most pressing issue in the City of Napa. Come on guys there have to be more important issues.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) October 24, 2012 at 02:17 pm
Are you all set on the ballot propositions? There's an interactive workshop coming up at CIty Hall next week and New Tech High is having a forum on the props Oct. 2. Deets: http://napavalley.patch.com/articles/napa-county-letter-all-ages-ballot-workshop-set and http://napavalley.patch.com/events/state-propositions-and-local-measures-presentations
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) October 24, 2012 at 02:19 pm
All the questions were on the topic of art and public art because that was the theme of the evening - It was an "Arts Town Hall" co-sponsored by the Historical Society and Arts Council Napa Valley. Other candidate forums have focused on the environment and on specific neighborhood concerns, for instance.
Belle (Orchid Lady) October 24, 2012 at 02:28 pm
Yes, I am. I have researching my little to death and reading the actual text of the propositions (not fun). I am confident in my choices, but I had accidentally marked "no" on something I wished to vote "yes" on. So I was headed to exchange my ballot this week, and by something I read said by one of the candidates, it made me change my mind about my vote for them.
Loui Loui October 24, 2012 at 04:21 pm
I like it. It's on the corner of a Veterans Park. Should we move the park, too???
Unfiltered Steve Simoneau October 24, 2012 at 04:37 pm
Art that is original makes a better impact and impression. This piece of "art" is just like the one at (enter location here) in (enter city here). This piece of metal serves its purpose of memorializing fallen soldiers but I would not consider it art. Everybody on this project could have done A LOT better.
Lisa Trimble October 24, 2012 at 05:18 pm
Pedroza, your argument is ridiculous.
Did people "connect" with a sculpture of a non-indigenous fish species looming over the intersection? Let's get to the meat of the issue; some people just don't like being reminded that men and women have died to protect the freedoms too many of us take for granted.
Jeffrey Wright October 24, 2012 at 05:27 pm
I wonder if the soldiers families are concerned about the placement or artistic value of the memorial ? I think not !!!
Penny October 24, 2012 at 07:01 pm
It is ugly! nuf said!
chuck2251 October 25, 2012 at 03:09 pm
If that s all Pete has to offer ,we do not need a troublemaker..
vocal-de-local October 25, 2012 at 03:55 pm
Troublemaker? So if he stands his ground on an issue he believes in (an issue of art, beauty and compromise in Downtown Napa) he's a troublemaker?
I'll tell you what's troublemaking - not setting boundaries for a highschool student who wanted to rush a project through before graduation. This could have been a lesson in compromise (if this had been initiated by an adult, compromise would have been expected). But most of the council members (with the exception of Mott and Inman) did not expect compromise from a teenager. Troublemaking also came in the form of making an artist remove his sculpture (and take note that the 'Fish On' was a vote of the people). Basically it's the equivalent of saying "sorry all you people, I want the art that you selected removed so that I can have what I want". Compromise would have been waiting unitl the existing sculpture's contract expired. I hope Mott wins the election.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) October 25, 2012 at 05:08 pm
Finally, someone else has noticed that a lot of this was about privileging a single student's senior project.
Mary Richardson October 25, 2012 at 05:23 pm
Not waiting until the existing sculpture's contract expired is what bothers me the most.
Mike Treleven October 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm
I haven't noticed the memorial because the intersection is always very busy. Keep your eyes on the road. Not an easy spot to stop and reflect.
Alfredo Pedroza October 31, 2012 at 05:40 pm
Hi Lisa,
My comment about not connecting was grounded on wanting people to have a deeper and longer connection with the memorial. Honoring and remembering the men and women that provide us our freedom is very important and is part of our community. A location in the park, I believe provides people opportunities to reflect and remember the sacrifices made for our freedom compared to the corner where you have foot-traffic and passing motorists. -Alfredo

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