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Napa Police: Bus Station Fight Lands Gang Teens in Juvenile Hall

Two known Norteño gang members, aged 16 and 17, were booked at Juvenile Hall Friday afternoon following a reported gang fight at the Pearl Street transit station downtown, according to Napa police. Arrest information does not indicate convictions.

Two Napa teens known to police as members of the Norteño street gang were arrested Friday afternoon in connection with a street fight at the Pearl Street transit center downtown, according to a shift activity log from the :

On 08/31/2012 at 2:17 PM Officers were dispatched to the Vine Bus Station on Pearl St. for a reported fight. A victim was located and had visible injuries to his face, elbow, and knee. He additionally stated that he may have been knocked out. 

With the assistance of witnesses it was determined that the victim had been involved in an altercation. The victim was knocked to the ground and several subjects kicked and punched him in the head.  The suspects were later identified as a 16 year old male juvenile and a 17 year old male juvenile.  Both are known/documented norteno gang members. 

The two teens were booked into the Napa County Juvenile Justice Center on suspicion of disturbing the peace, assault with a deadly weapon/gang participation and violation of probation, police said.

Arrest information does not indicate convictions.

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Belle (Orchid Lady) September 11, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Vocal- What I have personally noticed in the Latino culture, is the men are not really involved in child rearing. This is NOT as common in 2nd generation American Latinos as it is in 1st generation immigrants. My mother in law told me that in Mexico, it is very common, that if a woman leaves her husband, or a husband leaves the wife, that's it. She keeps the children, he starts another life. There is no child support, and visitation. Now keep in mind she is a bit 'old school' and as much as we are influenced by Latino culture here, they are probably influenced by ours as well, and things may have changed since she lived there. I don't know any Latino fathers who aren't present for their children, but I know that machismo makes it hard for the boys to get the close personal relationships that I think "American" Dads have with their kids. That said, it doesn't make them better or worse fathers, I just find Latino/Italian/German cultures makes it hard for fathers and sons to be 'emotionally available' in stead of stern, or being the disciplinarian of the family. Latino American culture, or Chicanos, are a different story, the heritage is there, but so is the American culture. I find it to be a beautiful fusion. I know plenty of kids who had great families, and great fathers who ended up in gangs. I don't think that it's all about Latino fathers, there is so much more involved, and often times by the time a parent knows "what's up", it's too late.
vocal-de-local September 11, 2012 at 08:39 PM
Orchid Lady, I completely agree, especially with the comment about the Latino/Italian/German cultures making it difficult for fathers and sons to be emotionally connected. Interestingly, Italian and Latino cultures tend to be very warm and loving toward their moms, well into adulthood. The American culture wants to sever mom/son bonds asap. Comments like "he's a momma's boy" don't help. It must feel like a challenge, blending the two cultures together, one which is machismo in nature and discourages father/son bonding and the other that socially excludes boys for being close to their moms. To top it off, boys are now using the 'gay' card to antagonize and manipulate their male peers adding yet another challenge for maintaining strong bonds with moms. No wonder they turn to gang relationships!
Belle (Orchid Lady) September 11, 2012 at 08:56 PM
Vocal-I think we are on the same page. I have a 'blended family' sort of. My kids are half Latino, and half Caucasian (Portuguese/Italian) and their father is (Chicano) but my husband is Mexican, and a 1st generation Mexican immigrant. Talk about blending of cultures. My son has been teased with the 'gay' name calling too, as well as used it back. I recently told him the next time someone uses it to try to 'embarrass you', use humor to your advantage, and ask the person "what's wrong with being gay? Are you homophobic?" He did, the kid had no response, and the entire gym laughed at the bully. Now, he see's there are alternatives to needing to 'prove your manhood'. They also sometimes deal with other kids telling them they aren't Mexican, even though they identify as such. My husband and my Ex, tell me I baby my son too much. My son is starting to act like I have five heads. LOL The pressures today are greater than they were even 10 years ago. Social media and the internet don't help either. One of the things I have found with kids who are joining gangs, is it starts out slowly, and they just get pulled in, to the anti-society mind set. The problem with gangs is they often view themselves, as different that society, society is square, and they don't belong. They use brainwashing tactics, and often times don't even know they are doing it. How do you get a kid back from a mentality that he/she will never be accepted by society or feels that 'society is stupid'?
vocal-de-local September 11, 2012 at 09:35 PM
I think it's a form of brainwashing as well. Kids today, being disconnected from their parents because it's "not cool" and then having the "you're gay" or "you're a nerd" label thrown at them is just an attempt to back them into a corner where they have a false sense of support from those who pushed them into that space. These kids need to recognize what's going on and how they are being manipulated. Gangs don't like members to be autonomous or to question 'their' authority. It's not a democratic process, that's for sure. Those who are attracted to gangs need to ask themselves if they are comfortable entering a sub culture which entirely strips them of their freedoms. They might as well move to a dictatorship country if that's what they desire. And good luck escaping the gang sub culture once they enter it. These kids will no longer feel as though they are in America. Gang sub cultures invent their own rules which includes killing those they lose trust in, even if it's just a perception. It's a paranoid culture of act first, think later.
Belle (Orchid Lady) September 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM
Vocal- Have you read the Napa County Gang and Youth Violence Master Plan? It has some really good information regarding Napa's Gangs and how they compare or differ from other gangs across the country. It's important not to confuse Napa's gangs with how other larger, organized gangs function, especially 'big city' gangs. If you haven't read it, it is a very valuable look in to what we as a county are dealing wit, as well as the Latino community. It describes the levels of gang participation, who is participating, what the plan to handle each 'type' of association is, and the demographics of Napa's gangs. I find it extremely interesting that Latinos are 3-1 more likely to be labeled a gang member, and they are more likely to be prosecuted harsher than non-Latino gang members. If you really want some information that's where I'd start, the graphs themselves are invaluable. That said it's my opinion that gangs in Napa, don't quite fit your description, from my own experiences. However, the youth involved, seem to me to be more focused on having fun with friends, smoking and drinking, and looking cool, than getting 'organized'. The violence that happens (IMHO) is usually a retaliation because one of their 'friends' was jumped, or their windows were broken etc. Seeing as how they almost never know WHO did for sure, the retaliation is usually on the first opposition they can find. That person and his friends then go out and repeat the process. It's a circle.

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