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Prop 8/DOMA Reaction

My favorite reaction so far to the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage: "Somewhere there is a commitment phobic gay boyfriend who is very nervous."  What do you think?
Pueblo Mobilehome Park June 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM
He should be. He probably knows in the back of his mind/heart that it is a sin.
MICHAEL WILSON "TEA PARTY 2014" June 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Just more Case load for Divorce court When the novelty wears off.
Unfiltered Steve Simoneau June 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Well, Pueblo Park (by the way, congratulations to your parents for coming up with such a cool name), if you think same-sex marriage is a sin then don't do it!
Harold Edwards June 26, 2013 at 02:32 PM
X marks the spot.
Dan Johnson June 26, 2013 at 03:19 PM
Cute. There is at least a little truth in all humor. An attorney friend says: "Get a prenup!" Fortunately this allows equal participation under the same laws that apply to everyone else. It does not require participation. But yes, it ends a convenient excuse for those men and women who aren't good at making commitments. But far more importantly, it ends this shameful and harmful legal enshrinement of stigmatization and dehumanization.
Dan Johnson June 26, 2013 at 03:31 PM
PMP Fortunately, we don't rely on your judgement of what is sin as the basis of our laws. I'm sure there are many more things you consider to be a sin that are not prohibited by law, such as divorce, remarriage, gluttony, etc.. Others consider your desire to harm gay people, using the force of law, to be a sin. This is why we have a constitution that requires equal treatment for all persons under the law, as today's rulings affirmed. Treating others as you would yourself is not only a promise of our founding documents, and a requirement of every major religious and non religious ethical belief system, it is required by our constitution.
Pueblo Mobilehome Park June 26, 2013 at 04:32 PM
That's the problem with you people. You try to water down what sin is by accepting all these things to suit your needs/wants. God doesn't like homosexuality, divorce, & gluttony. I guess it is not written in black and white as a sin - that is probably where you found your loophole. I think he is OK with remarriage if the previous one was finished in death or here you go: sinful situation. Enjoy your new "freedom". - Dean of PMP
Dan Johnson July 01, 2013 at 12:02 PM
Dr. James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary, who believes "what the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but not condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love."
Dan Johnson July 01, 2013 at 12:03 PM
The New Testament and Homosexuality" Robin Scroggs, Prof of New Testament at Union Theological Seminary is a serious theologian and is favorable reviewed by many theologians. He is a happily married heterosexual with no personal bias. He includes cites from Boswell and expands further especially on pederasty and concludes there is nothing biblically wrong with homosexuality. "What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts." Baptist Rev Dr. William R. Stayton, Divinity degree from Andover Newtown Theological School and on faculty of LaSalle University's Grad program in Religious studies: - "There is nothing in the Bible regarding homosexual orientation. In fact, the Bible does not concern itself with sexual orientation. It does speak against gang rape, male prostitution for religious purposes, and pederasty. I lead bible study programs on this subject and am convinced that the Bible does not address the issue of a person's sexual orientation."
Dan Johnson July 01, 2013 at 12:04 PM
God is not a Homophobe: An unbiased look at Homosexuality in the Bible" by Philo Thelos Several books already exist attempting to demonstrate that the Christian Bible does not, in fact, condemn consenting-adult homosexuality. But God is Not a Homophobe has a unique perspective in that the author has a lifetime of experience in pastoring hard-core fundamentalist churches. His former bitter opposition to all forms of homosexuality has given way to a rational, unbiased acceptance that the Bible says hardly anything about homosexuality, and what it does say cannot honestly be used to condemn consenting same-sex unions."
Unfiltered Steve Simoneau July 01, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Pueblo Park: So you support incest? Because if God put one man and one woman on Earth and they had children then there had to be a WHOLE LOT of incest going on to start this population! Why don't you ask Him about that? Is it an abomination and a sin? Let us know what He says.
Pueblo Mobilehome Park July 01, 2013 at 12:48 PM
OK Mr. Bible scholar, Can you explain Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 which states that a man lying with another man is an abomination? This was taken from the King James version.
Dan Johnson July 01, 2013 at 01:46 PM
PMP. Remember, the bible wasn't written in English. KJV is an English mistranslation based on misinterpretation: "okay, let's look at this verse as taken directly from the torah, rather than the bible, shall we? first of all, it's found in the cleanliness code, not the holiness code. why do you think that is? What it actually says, if translated directly from the hebrew is: ''men, do not lie in the lyings of a woman. it is towáveh'(taboo) the word 'abomination' appears nowhere in the torah. what taboo meant (and means) in hebrew is unclean in the temple. the reason for this is simple. a woman who is on her menstrual period is forbidden to sleep inside the main house, but has a bed in a separate room outside. she is also forbidden to touch anything belonging to a man, or touching food. if a man were to sleep in the woman's bed, then he would be unclean and not allowed entrance into the temple, or to pray to yhvh until he had gone through a ritual cleansing which consisted of taking a bath on the third day, and again on the seventh day from his defilement. only then would he be considered 'clean' and the taboo would be lifted form him. it has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality, nor with men sleeping with other men except for in the latin and then the english translations of the text.(you do realise, don't you, that it was copied into english from the latin vulgate by john wycliffe, and not hebrew, don't you?(and that all susequent works built upon his original texts)"
Unfiltered Steve Simoneau July 01, 2013 at 05:46 PM
Pueblo Park, we can argue Bible interpretation all day and gain nothing. How about Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.". Hmmm, I guess God supported cannibalism but detested homosexuality. Imagine that.

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