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Downtown Napa Starbucks Opponents Face Appeal Deadline

Now that Napa city staffers have given Starbucks Coffee the green light to open at the corner of First and Main streets downtown, opponents have until June 18 to appeal the decision in writing, according to the Napa Valley Register.

 

Opponents of the plan by café giant Starbucks to open an outlet kitty-corner from a longtime, locally-owned coffee shop in downtown Napa are meeting tonight to determine their next steps, according to a report by Chantal M. Lovell in the .

City staff gave approval Friday to a Starbucks application to redesign the building exterior, Lovell writes.

The proposed Starbucks, formerly the and before that , is located diagonally across the intersection from Napa Valley Coffee Roasters at Main and First streets.

Members of the public have until 5 p.m. June 18 to appeal the staff decision in writing, but by Monday afternoon the city had received no written appeals, according to Lovell's Register report.

For more about the controversy over the possibility of a Starbucks at First and Main, please see our topic page, Napa Local vs. Starbucks.

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Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 01:39 AM
Thanks Alex. Flagging does work, it turns out, by sending the comment back to me for review. In this case I'd flagged it myself twice from my Facebook account though, to check whether the flag function works. That taints the flagging so I'm not going to reject the comment this time unless it gets more flags. But at least we know it works, which is a big relief to me. Flag freely, folks. You can even flag me.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 01:52 AM
Jamie, I see it now, do you want the comment to remain suppressed?
Scott Yeager June 13, 2012 at 01:56 AM
"Corporations aren't destroying America, entitlements are. " Sounds like a neo-con comment. Fact free too.
Jamie Clemons June 13, 2012 at 02:07 AM
It didn't bug me, it's really up to you.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 04:18 AM
It's seems inappropriate (unprofessional) that you are the editor of this publication and respondent in a thread. You would never see an editor in the main stream press write a letter to the editor or weigh in on a comment. Sure write an editorial/blog post on the topic buy keep away from these kinds of frays. You'll disagree, but you are contributing to turning Napa Patch into an activist vehicle which Patch editors in other towns avoid, as far as I know. By moving from reporting the local news to advocacy and protest you are undermining the core value of Patch. You run the risk of letting this franchise in Napa become propaganda driving away alternative views to the latté lefties. Too bad, this could have been a forum of multiple voices, though maybe as I wrote on another thread, this probably can really only be a place online for the disenchanted to tilt against windmills.
Catherine George June 13, 2012 at 04:25 AM
tom - OMG. Talk about undermining the core value of Patch, spewing propaganda, and a whole host of other maladies you've managed to accomplish within one paragraph. Latte lefties, oh my goodness. Too bad for us all that this is a place for open discussion and must include types like you too! Egads! Will democracy ever cease! My word. I could have thought a different thing. Or read something unusual or slightly perturbing. Or - heavens - something I don't agree with!!! Quick, where is my shield and cape? And a scepter! I need my scepter!
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 04:29 AM
Tom, surely you can see the difference between writing an article and commenting in a thread? And how are my comments turning Napa Patch into an "activist vehicle" any more than yours, which have been much more opinionated than mine? More to the point: Patch doesn't require its editors to pretend they don't have opinions, but in this case I didn't express one. What exactly did I say that strikes you as particularly activist in this context? Please be specific.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 04:34 AM
Hilarious hyperbole aside, Catherine gets it: This isn't MY Patch or YOUR Patch. It's OUR Patch. Nonetheless: I gotta be me, and that requires asking questions even when people resent it and go on the attack.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 04:47 AM
All your comrades like "social activist" Catherine George and Mike Haley will attract other anti establishment types which you will help reinforce instead of maintaining editorial disinterest. Your comment voicing suspicion of Eat Well was really uncalled for. An Editor should never, IMO, be accusatory about a poster. Ditto with your treatment of Sherri. You are digging your own grave.
Catherine George June 13, 2012 at 04:48 AM
Sherri - your words: "I guess the anti-Starbucks people don't realize that Ben and Jerry's exists right across the street from the local Annettes and they're making it! Grow up, Napa" "Keep drinking the kool aid, Alex" "Have you ever been to a town called Walnut Creek, where local business and corporate business exist together peacefully? Obviously not." "quit hating on Starbucks" "probably don't have time to sit around and post all day...lol" "Every comment you make is a socialist, liberal agenda comment" Not exactly a paragon of maturity, objectivity, informed opinion, professionalism, or even niceness.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 04:49 AM
All you nay sayers miss the real value of Starbucks. Not only does it serve far more than coffee, it also serves as a very inviting public living room where friends can meet, people can surf online or read a paper. It matters not how many Starbucks there are in other neighborhoods. Downtown can benefit from such "third places" that foster civility--except among the small band of localists, who prefer to issue manifestos than do something productive to further their cause.
Catherine George June 13, 2012 at 04:50 AM
Tom - wow. I am speechless. But thank you though. I'm very flattered that you lumped me in with Michael Haley! That was quite nice. I find him to be very fair and well informed, so that is quite a compliment. Thank you. I love your use of the word "comrades"! Wow. Be still my heart.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 04:50 AM
Best bet for those who enjoy good dialogue is to surf over to the Register's Facebook page.
Catherine George June 13, 2012 at 04:55 AM
Tom - nobody is denying objective reality. Yes, Starbucks offers all sorts of great things. I could dig up the posts in other discussions which acknowledge that, if you like. The point is, that's not in dispute, if you recall. It's interesting that you are trying so hard to paint a citizen group with such nasty strokes. My stars. All kidding aside, I think it would be much more productive if you spent more time finding out what Napa Local does and what it's goals are and why. You might learn something new, and you might be pleasantly surprised, in fact.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 05:12 AM
I'm sure Napa Local has many productive activities, as does the Sonoma Local group (though perhaps even more so). The reference to manifesto was in the context of opposing Starbucks--a children's crusade in my opinion.
Unfiltered Steve Simoneau June 13, 2012 at 05:25 AM
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Alex Shantz June 13, 2012 at 05:28 AM
Tom Merle would rather deny fact and peer reviewed studies in order to spout his own personal opinion. "All you nay sayers miss the real value of Starbucks. Not only does it serve far more than coffee, it also serves as a very inviting public living room where friends can meet, people can surf online or read a paper." The true value of Starbucks, as a corporate chain, is that it disrupts the local economy by creating a leakage within the distribution line. A local cafe could do the same things as Starbucks while adding value to the local economy by producing the multiplier effect whereby money is recirculated in the economy rather then removed and placed into corporate coffers. These are economic facts that proponents of corporate chains refuse to even attempt to wrap their minds around.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 05:30 AM
Louisa, Your 'question' of Sheri--I assume from the indentation it was in response to her comment--seemed like a non sequitur serving only to inject localism in the the exchange. By products Sherri clearly meant the cups and coffee making equipment, etc. were American (I bet Molinari's has an Italian espresso maker). But so what. If the pastries or coffee at Molinari's are superior they will pull in more customers (though why wouldn't one just go to Sweetie Pies?).
Catherine George June 13, 2012 at 05:31 AM
Tee hee! Unfiltered, that was too much! As they say in the biz, LMAO!!! Thank you for that. I guess I'm sleeping in tomorrow. Oh wait! No, I'm worshipping my espresso machine at home, like always. Drat. Or something. I'm confused. Hmmm... Coffee!!! Yes! You know, folks, we are all folks, you know. Thanks for the giggle.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 07:34 AM
Alex, I agree with you that the Oliver Market study is powerful, but the effort to replicate it is impotent if all you can do is cite the study in various forums. You need a modern day Joe Vallerga who not only has plenty of the local green organic vegetables but plenty of the other green stuff. Declarations alone won't do it.
Alex Shantz June 13, 2012 at 07:48 AM
"Alex, I agree with you that the Oliver Market study is powerful, but the effort to replicate it is impotent if all you can do is cite the study in various forums." Thank you for conceding the merits of the study. It could be replicated very practically and effectively. The first step is for the city council to enact policies based on the study. That involves community engagement in terms of submitting proposals, educating city officials, and voting in the correct political leaders.
tom merle June 13, 2012 at 08:26 AM
A tall order, Alex. I hope you and your colleagues (I'll drop comrades) are young and patient, but not too patient of course. Tremendous things have been done over in Sonoma. Go for it.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Tom, that seems kind of threatening to me, but I am not going to stop pointing out that people who post under fake names are not to be trusted, and I am not going to stop asking for facts. In the case of Molinari I was offering specifics in the hope of receiving some in return. None were offered.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM
A direct follow-up is hardly a non sequitur, Tom. Nice try, though.
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM
In other Starbucks news that will eventually affect Napa: http://napa.patch.com/articles/la-boulange-bakery-goods-coming-to-napa-starbucks I'm interested in folks' thoughts in comments and the new poll posted at that link.
jennifer June 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Where do we submit our letters of appeal? And who should it be addressed to?
Louisa Hufstader (Editor) June 15, 2012 at 12:22 AM
Hi Jennifer: Contact info is here http://napavalleyregister.com/letter-on-starbucks-approval-from-city-of-napa/pdf_7f3f037e-b423-11e1-b43c-001a4bcf887a.html And Napa Local has let us know the group is not filing an appeal: http://napa.patch.com/articles/no-starbucks-appeal-for-napa-local
Alex Shantz June 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM
Jennifer, feel free to give me a call. 707 328 8654. Full disclosure, I am a member of Napa Local. And, while I support the groups decision to not appeal I personally feel this plan should be appealed. I have an argument for a bases of appeal. I'd be willing to talk to you about it. I am sure you are on top of it already, but wanted to offer myself as a resource just in case.
tom merle June 15, 2012 at 06:14 AM
Glad to see the leadership of Napa Local decided to save their gun powder for other battles, as I noted above.
Spencer Haley August 23, 2012 at 10:13 PM
I agree Eat Well and Scott Yeager...Louisa please explain...

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